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Hi, I'm Joey Roth and I just joined tribe. I'm an industrial designer who's currently developing a teapot called Sorapot, and I'd love this group's input. Sorapot is designed specifically for green and white teas that steep best at below-boiling temperatures. Thus I designed Sorapot to dissipate the water's heat instead of insulating it like most other teapots so that the delicate leaves don't oversteep and become bitter and so the tea is at an ideal drinking temperature once it's poured.
Sorapot's pretty small at 11 oz. and is intended to be used like a Yixing pot- a quick steep followed by immediate pouring. In fact, the
two pieces that connect the glass tube to the steel arch are made from unglazed stoneware that will absorb the tea's tannins over time, just like Yixing clay.
Without further ado: www.joeyroth.com/sorapot
Can't wait to hear what you have to say.
Joey
Sorapot's pretty small at 11 oz. and is intended to be used like a Yixing pot- a quick steep followed by immediate pouring. In fact, the
two pieces that connect the glass tube to the steel arch are made from unglazed stoneware that will absorb the tea's tannins over time, just like Yixing clay.
Without further ado: www.joeyroth.com/sorapot
Can't wait to hear what you have to say.
Joey
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Wed, January 10, 2007 - 8:26 PMit looks very interesting, very modern and sleek.
your design really strikes me as a great way to show off flowering teas (my favorite)
I do wonder how to remove the tealeaves, as tea leaves left too long in will cause the tea to go bitter, no matter what temperature.
most teapots have a removable chamber that contains the tealeaves for this purpose.
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Re: Teapot Design Advice
Thu, January 11, 2007 - 8:40 AMit is very interesting... clean look. Since it only holds 11 ounces, perhaps you wouldn't have to worry so much about leaves being left in the water if you poured for two? If the water was left in, that could be a problem...
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Thu, January 11, 2007 - 9:14 PMHoward and Stefania, thanks for your thoughts. I don't show it in the pictures (thank you for reminding me, I really should), but there's a wire mesh filter that sits between the front end of the tube and the teapot's spout. This filter allows you to pour water in through the funnel-like spout and prevents the leaves from following the tea into your cup when it's time to pour. Unlike traditional mesh tea baskets, the simple filter allows the tea leaves to circulate freely throughout the entire vessel- I'm sure you guys know the benefits of leaf freedom during steeping in even more depth than i do.
Unfurling flower tea was exactly what I had in mind when I designed Sorapot! I'm so glad that you mentioned those.
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Re: Teapot Design Advice
Fri, January 12, 2007 - 8:47 AMIt sounds great then! you'll have to let us know when it goes into production : )
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Sat, January 13, 2007 - 7:01 AMits a beautiful and interesting design, i like it a lot.
im guessing your market is more design geeks than actual tea snobs, but functionality wise, a real tea snob would want a way to remove the leaves from the basket while leaving in the tea itself. many teas get bitter and tannic if the steeping time is too long, so typically (with notable exceptions) they are removed rather than left in the pot. this pot makes that hard, the best i could imagine would be to incorporate something that functions like a french press, isolating the tea leaves from the tea. and even this is not ideal.
i also worry just a little bit about the compression seals on the open end of the cylinder (im assuming that it has an open top/front end, but is closed like a cup on the bottom) both in terms of setting them up so theyre are no leaksand in terms of how easy or hard it is to load the cylinder into the teapot for use without spilling.
still, its really pretty and a pretty impressive product design.
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Re: Teapot Design Advice
Sat, January 13, 2007 - 9:07 PMKnowing me and hot water in a glass - I'll probably spill it all over, especially if I have to assemble the pot with the hot water in it. Maybe I'm confused. I might need an animated demo to really get it. Have you made a prototype yet? I would think that trying it out would be the best test of the product.
So the tea and hot water go into the glass tube (like a beaker?) and to insert it into the arch, you have to turn the arch upright, on its side, right? Is there a way for it to stand easily that way? I guess I'm struggling with the assembly concept.
It looks like the tube is almost the same level as the spout. How do you keep from spilling?
As far as removing the leaves, if its meant for one pouring, then there's no need for removal. Yes?
Its very modern looking, which isn't something I personally would go for, BUT if it performed well, that would be the main reason for buying it. I'm usually one for function, then form. Its great to get both. I do like the look of the glass tube. Reminds me of my dad's level. ;}
I'm not trying to be negative with my inquiries, I'm just a stickler for detail and I'm curious about how things work. Thanks for posting this, Joey!
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Sun, January 14, 2007 - 10:01 PMThanks for these thorough crits. They're very helpful to me at this point and I appreciate the time you all took to go over my design.
Andy, I'm so glad you like Sorapot's design. Although it's hard to tell in the photos, Sorapot is quite small and is meant to be used like a gaiwan or yixing pot: multiple infusions that are poured into cups after not much time. This gives you precise control over how long the water is in contact with the leaves and makes a basket unnecessary. One of my design goals for Sorapot was to allow the leaves to circulate freely throughout the entire vessel, so I didn't want to use the kind of overly restrictive mesh basket that's found in a lot of other teapots
Sandi, no need to worry about spilling hot water! You actually would put the dry leaves into the glass tube, then load the tube into the arch and close it. You'd then pour the water in through the spout, which I designed to be "funnel-like" enough that pouring won't need to be that precise. You can then pour the tea out from the spout when it's done steeping and pour more water in for subsequent infusions. You won't have to open the arch and remove the tube until you're done and ready to clean the pot. Because there's no lid, it's actually much harder to spill hot liquid on yourself with the Sorapot than with a traditional teapot.
The modernness of Sorapot's design is actually something I'm a bit concerned about. I want it to look minimal and sleek, but not “technological”, if that makes sense. I'm definitely going for a timeless look, free of embellishment and anything that would distract from the appreciation of tea. I'd love to hear if you think I achieve this, and if you have any suggestions for how I could move my design more in this direction.
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Re: Teapot Design Advice
Mon, January 15, 2007 - 3:52 AMOoooohhhhh! Okay. Got it!
So, metal conducts heat. That would get hot on the hands unless you had a heat resistant handle. How do you remedy that? Or do the ceramic rings on the ends help with that? Oh yeah, ceramic is an insulator. Right. Answered my own question. ;}
For me, tea gives me a sense of comfort (even if its caffeinated). Its the ritual of it. So, the things I choose to use with tea has to be aesthetically comforting and simple. Even the sound the pot makes when placing it down onto the table can be a factor. I used to be into the sleek stuff long ago, but I somehow moved out of that. Now I want earthy things like wood and ceramic. I do have a glass teapot. I don't think this helps with your design though. But I understand what you're saying with keeping it minimal and timeless. Yeah, I would stay away from kitchy or cutesy. I think you're looking for something more like the Herman Miller of chairs kind of look. Straight to the point, functional, nice lines. Actually, the more I look at it, the more I can see this being sold in a modern art museum shop.
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Tue, January 16, 2007 - 8:17 AM<The modernness of Sorapot's design is actually something I'm a bit concerned about. I want it to look minimal and sleek, but not “technological”, if that makes sense. I'm definitely going for a timeless look, free of embellishment and anything that would distract from the appreciation of tea. I'd love to hear if you think I achieve this, and if you have any suggestions for how I could move my design more in this direction.>
towards this end, i think it would have more of a "wabi" tea asthetic if you were to play a little bit with the metal enclosure. when viewed head-on, the triangle shape it makes is quite imposing. varying the thickness of the metal sheet, adding some slight organic curve, or perhaps adding some sort of "feet" might make it feel less industrial, while still keeping modernity and elegance. -
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Wed, January 17, 2007 - 4:11 AMI had those very same thoughts, Andy. I just didn't know how to record them. Thanks for writing my mind!
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Re: Teapot Design Advice
Sun, January 14, 2007 - 9:37 PMI really like the teapot design. Whether it is practical or not is unclear to me. As you indicated, the features of the Yixing pots is that they are able to hold heat well and distribute it evenly and they take on the flavor of the tea over time enriching the tea drinking experience. Substitution of glass for clay is far more dramatic to look at, particularly if a flowering tea is used. I must note though that I would buy this teapot in an instant as the design really appeals to me.
Now out of curiosity, how easy is it to clean? That glass "tube" will likely collect tea scum over time. Can you disassemble the pot and extract the tube for cleaning? Oh, and where can I get one? -
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Sun, January 14, 2007 - 9:44 PMOK. I get it now. I looked more carefully at the picture. The arch is flexible. The tube is more of a drinking glass. You put tube on a table, drop in leaves, pour in water. Then you pick up the arch unflex it and fit it over the glass. The glass will be hot (scalding) so you have to be careful here. You need to unflex the arch with your free hand somehow. When the glass is fit back in the arch, there is some sort of rubber seal that ensures no leaks. There is a mesh at the spout end of the arch so the leaves will not spill into the teacup.
If I got it right then its use seems a little tricky to me. Sort of like, it would work better with another person helping you.
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Sun, January 14, 2007 - 10:10 PMHey Luminous, I appreciate your thoughts. Almost everyone who's seen my renderings has thought that the water goes in with the leaves when the glass is removed from the arch- thanks for reminding me that I need to make the actual process more clear visually. You actually pour the hot water in through the spout (which I designed to make this easy) once the tube is securely in place. The whole process takes about as much dexterity as making tea with a traditional pot, but the chances of spilling are actually a lot lower.
Joey
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Re: Teapot Design Advice
Mon, January 15, 2007 - 7:45 AMThe teapot is very stylish. I think people would enjoy seeing the leaves, especially with display teas. I'm curious about filling the pot. The spout seems so small. I have two variable temperature eletric tea kettles--
one that tips and pours
(www.adagio.com/teaware/ut...kettle.html
and one, a Zojirushi dispensing pot, that dispenses from a spout
(www.zojirushi.com/ourproduc..._jsc.html)
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Re: Teapot Design Advice
Tue, January 16, 2007 - 9:50 AMElisabeth, it's great that you mention one of those plunger-style electric kettles. I had originally designed the Sorapot with a traditional lid cut into the tube, as you can see here: www.joeyroth.com/soraschema.jpg
Then I took a mind-expanding trip to Japan and found that every home I visited had one of these counter top electric boilers. There was no way to get the water from one of these into the old Sorapot design because the handle blocked the opening. This led to the current water-through-the-spout design.
It does look small in the renderings, but I've prototyped the spout and it's really easy to pour into. The natural slope of the arch actually leads into the spout at that point, so you have a pretty wide area for pouring.
Vacation!Artwit (wonderful name)- the Jena is an inspiration, and you're right- time has a way of removing the makeup of “newness” and separating the really worthwhile designs from the trendy. My hope is that Sorapot will fall into the first category :)
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Re: Teapot Design Advice
Mon, January 15, 2007 - 8:55 PMIt'll be interesting to try out.
I still use theglass Jena design from early XX century, nice for seeing leaves, but not easy to remove them.
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Mon, January 15, 2007 - 8:56 PMI meant "Yours may look ultramodern." Antecedent unclear.
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Spout re-design
Sat, January 27, 2007 - 10:55 AMBased on the insightful feedback you've given me, I recently redesigned Sorapot's spout (luckily it is a separate piece that won't set back production). I redesigned it to pour tea more cleanly without any dripping, while still functioning like a funnel for pouring hot water into the pot. I think this changes the look of the teapot however, and was hoping to get your initial reaction to the new design.
I've included a cutaway: joeyroth.com/sorapot_spo..._cutaway.jpg
side: joeyroth.com/sorapot_spo...sometric.jpg
and top: joeyroth.com/sorapot_spo...apot_top.jpg
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Sun, January 28, 2007 - 9:11 AMcan you post a front elevation, looking at the spout head on? -
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Sat, February 10, 2007 - 10:24 AMHey Andy,
Apologies for the delay, I've been away for a minute. Here's the view you wanted to see: www.joeyroth.com/sorapot_spout/front.jpg
If any of you are in NYC, I'll be at the Coffee and Tea festival on Aprin 28: www.coffeeandteafestival.com/
Hope to see some of you there!
Joey
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Sun, February 4, 2007 - 7:51 PMI think it looks good and isn't too big of a change in look from the version you initially posted. Yeah, drippage is one of my peeves when pouring tea. Is it already in production? I hope it turns out well! How exciting!
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Sun, April 15, 2007 - 6:49 PMI was wondering how much you expect to sell this teapot for? I really like it and want one already!! :)
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Fri, September 18, 2009 - 12:30 PMI was just wondering about how this product was doing and lo and behold! Check it out!
www.sorapot.com/buy
Congrats, Joey! It looks wonderful! Wish I could afford one, but it looks well worth the price! Good luck!
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Re: Teapot Design Advice
Sat, September 19, 2009 - 8:30 PMYou ought to see that it gets noticed by the design dept at the
Museum of Modern Art in New York. They used to have a design gallery,
but I haven't been there in ages.